60 Minutes wrestles with Title IX controversy on its Sunday, Dec. 1 show

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Gary Abbott (USA Wrestling)
12/02/2002


60 Minutes, internationally-respected CBS News magazine show, featured a segment on Title IX during its Sunday, December 1 prime-time show.    The piece, reported by veteran journalist Bob Simon, looked at many of the issues that have made Title IX a national controversy this year. The show pointed out many of the challenges faced by men athletes due to the interpretation of the law. As Simon said in his introduction, "male athletes on college campuses say they are being shafted by the way Title IX is being enforced."    The first person interviewed was Julie Foudy, captain of the U.S. women's soccer team and a member of the federal Commission on Opportunity in Athletics. "We were Title IX babies," said Foudy. "It is that simple. It all trails back to Title IX, for sure."    Simon explained the use of proportionality as a the only sure-fire enforcement of the law, and how many men's teams had been dropped to comply with Title IX. He noted that diving champion Greg Louganis went to the Univ. of Miami, which no longer has a swimming and diving team.    Next interviewed was the Univ. of Chicago wrestling coach Leo Kocher, a leading advocate for Title IX change. "I don't think that the American public understands what's going on in colleges. I don't think they understand that they are applying a quota law in sports," he said.    Simon interviewed four athletes who had lost sports opportunities, two gymnasts from Michigan State, a wrestler from Marquette Univ. and a wrestler from Brigham Young Univ. Collin Robertson, who wrestled for BYU, explained that there are no colleges in Utah with wrestling. "Those high school students have no place to go," he said. Brock Warner, the wrestler from Marquette, explained that "instead of adding a new women's sport, they dropped ours."    Simon explained the situation in gymnastics, which went from 107 to 20 college teams in recent years. He noted that many schools are choosing to drop men's teams and spend resources on football.    "When they do cut a men's team, I want them to be honest and straight with why they are cutting that team," said Nancy Hogshead-Makar, a former swimming star and an assistant professor of law. "It is not because of Title IX; it is because of a budget decision that they made. To say that you can't afford men's minor sports is ridiculous," she said.    When discussing football with Simon, Hogshead-Makar jokingly asked, "There are three genders, men, women and football?"    The Michigan State gymnasts who lost teams, Jason Lewis and Nate Dodsen, talked about the future. Lewis noted how shorter men and their future children will have no sports for them to compete in in college, and commented on how it could lead to poor health in young people. Dodsen noted that when he and his wife have children, if things continue as they are, he prays he has girls so they might have opportunities in college athletics.    Simon noted the Univ. of Maryland, which is in Title IX compliance, and led by athletic director Debbie Yow, who also serves on the Commission on Opportunities in Athletics. Yow noted how it is difficult to get athletes for their NCAA Championship women's lacrosse team, but have to turn away men from wrestling and other sports. She noted that "it doesn't take money to get men on the field." When Simon asked Yow about what it is like telling men wrestlers that they can't be on the team, Yow responded, "They cry, a number of them do, because it is so devastating to them to not be able to participate."    Simon next tackled the question of interest, noting that Title IX is an education law that is also applicable to other programs such as science or dance. When asked about that, Kocher noted "it may be that not as many men are interested in dance as women, but it might also be that not as many women are interested in athletics as men. The law does not allow for that possibility."    When asked about interest, Nancy Hogshead-Makar called it "insulting" and compared it to women's voting or property ownership. Foudy also responded, "men never had to prove they are interested in athletics. Why do we have to? Where does that double standard come from?"    Simon took a tour of Arizona State, visiting a number of new and impressive facilities for women athletics. He noted that in spite of gains for women, the school needed to add 80 more women's athletes to comply with the law. Simon, in speaking with an associate athletic director, noted that the school would soon add a women's crew team "in the desert."    Simon also noted how many colleges are advertising for women crew athletes on their web pages, offering scholarships to those with no experience. The wrestlers and gymnasts commented on that situation, noting their lifelong involvement in sports while first-timers were getting scholarships in women's crew. "There's no fairness," said Robertson.    Simon next interviewed Steve McCain, a star from the champion UCLA gymnastics team that was cut. "Everyone in the world that knows anything about gymnastics knows UCLA had a great program," he said. "Now, here it is, gone!"    Simon then noted the lawsuit filed by the National Wrestling Coaches Association and other coaching groups, and explained the creation of the Commission on Opportunities in Athletics to review Title IX.    When asked about the Commission, Hogshead-Makar said "I think it is an enormous threat to all the gains women have made in sports over the last 30 years."    Simon asked Kocher if he was trying to eliminate Title IX.    "I think I am trying to enforce Title IX," said Kocher. "What it says is don't discriminate on the basis of sex. When you are telling males to clean out their lockers, because they are male, because we have too many of them, boy, if that's not discrimination on the basis of sex, I don't know what is."    Simon noted that the Commission on Opportunity in Athletics had completed four Town Halls, and would be making recommendations to the Department of Education early next year.    A complete transcript of the show is expected to be posted on the CBS web page in the near future.